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Post by Zippy on Jan 18, 2004 20:51:37 GMT
Wait a second... you actually saw pictures proving they were men? OMFG j00 r t3h (0(0b33n
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Post by Geg on Jan 18, 2004 20:55:16 GMT
Gardner, this crazy number-and-capitals-speak's really gone too far... I don't care if it's ironic - it's also moronic and bloody annoying!
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Post by Zippy on Jan 18, 2004 21:02:23 GMT
Gardner, this crazy number-and-capitals-speak's really gone too far... I don't care if it's ironic - it's also moronic and bloody annoying! And? That's what it's designed to be like.
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Post by Tassadara C on Jan 18, 2004 21:03:42 GMT
Gardner, this crazy number-and-capitals-speak's really gone too far... I don't care if it's ironic - it's also moronic and bloody annoying! 6u+ 1+'5 133+!
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Post by Tassadara C on Jan 18, 2004 21:07:04 GMT
jinx
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Post by Zippy on Jan 18, 2004 21:22:39 GMT
Shit.
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Post by DrSmartEsq on Jan 18, 2004 23:02:04 GMT
Please cease soiling my thread with such soil, both Eartha Kitts, William Pitts and the internet talk
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Post by Geg on Jan 18, 2004 23:06:44 GMT
Yeah, we didn't start The Twaddle to perpetuate b0ll0x such as... b0ll0x.
It's probably a good idea to delete any post that contains only stuff like that
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Post by Tassadara C on Jan 19, 2004 0:39:13 GMT
Yeah, we didn't start The Twaddle to perpetuate b0ll0x such as... b0ll0x. It's probably a good idea to delete any post that contains only stuff like that like that one?
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Post by Geg on Jan 19, 2004 0:40:50 GMT
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Post by Zippy on Jan 19, 2004 0:53:59 GMT
Yeah, biffhead.
Like this one?
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Post by Tassadara C on Jan 19, 2004 0:56:05 GMT
Please don't be a censor-nazi, you'll make baby Jesus cry.
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Post by Zippy on Jan 19, 2004 1:09:45 GMT
Your face makes Baby Jesus cry.
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Post by Geg on Jan 19, 2004 1:10:06 GMT
Then you'll have to not say 387YR73P and the like, else he's gonna bawl.
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Post by Zippy on Jan 19, 2004 1:16:01 GMT
Ebtyrtep?
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Post by Tassadara C on Jan 19, 2004 1:16:11 GMT
Your face makes Baby Jesus cry. At least it gets it's own fvckin insults, MOOCH
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Post by Geg on Jan 19, 2004 1:17:13 GMT
I'm rather sick of all this. Start a thread for it in Utterances if you want. This thread is for responses to Jim's article.
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Post by Zippy on Jan 19, 2004 1:18:55 GMT
I hope Bellwood types a reply soon ;D
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Post by DrSmartEsq on Jan 19, 2004 17:20:48 GMT
So do I matty, should be a spiffing good laugh. and yes 'Ebtyrtep' thats how pap thy language is.
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Post by GunstarHero on Jan 19, 2004 17:21:23 GMT
i made the comment about not knowing all music because different people in this thread have thrown at me the "if you'd actually listened to.......<insert 100 million different bands or artists> you'd know more" argument. i dont feel hatred towards modern music because its replaced classical music, i mentioned natural evolution through classical music, and without this evolution you wouldn't have modern music and we'd still be sitting in trees slinging poo at each other, slinging poo at each other, more fun than classical music..... j/k anyway as i said in one response your article came across in a you dont like classical music i hate all your music type way, you've said this isnt how you feel so thats fine. you said we couldnt throw artists at you so dont do the same back, although i bet you if i heard all those ones you'd just mention id go *yawn* sounds old - wheres the real music? football is gay now, fact, overpaid tarts poncing around, i understand your analogy tho but would stanley matthews hack it in todays game, i admit his love of the sport is applaudable as is your love of classical music but both football and music have gone commercial now so you (and him if he was still alive) mays well stop romanticising ! no you cant but who would paint a picture the size of a mountain, cos a 30 minute song is just foolishly long, over-pompous self love, its needless and annoying it goes on far too long, takes so long to build up to its crescendo (or however you spell it) that when it finally gets into it its just a total letdown, you take 30 minutes to tell a story not play a piece of music. i hate alot of mainstream artits just as you do but i think even from ur zealot position you can accept most of them at least grasp the basics in what they are doing even if they have been commercialised into a pack of garbage. hey i hate all those you mention as well, their not real bands of today their commercialized junk aimed at 7-10 year olds who dont know any better, you said no examples so i wont throw any up but those you have just used are painfully weewee poor and not worth the time of day. The good music gets to the top of the charts no longer (normally - the odd one or 2 songs that are good pop up) why does an artist have to be good live? most people aren't ever going to see them live but they can listen to their cd and enjoy it, i own avril lavigne's album and i think its great, im assured she is total bobins live but this doesn't detract from the album because its a good solid cd which is very listenable with some catchy tunes which dont grate on the head like a pop song does (much like Beyonce's - Crazy In Love - a fantastic song) now im sure a live concert is an enthralling thing - with the right band ! id love to see U2 live but im not about to go see avril lavigne that doesnt mean i prfer ones cd over the over just because one is good live and one isnt. the bread and butter of MAINSTREAM POP merchant bank is a talentless pretty face, but their have been Eartha Kitt musical acts since forever. the reliance on electronic aids isnt removing talent from music, its just making it easy for the pathetic record companies to churn out megaEartha Kitt to a stupid audience who are obviously retarded, people who like real music (anything that sint so commerical it can [do something unpleasant]) wil always find a good band which suits them. If music loses that human touch i'll stop buying new records, keep everything i have at that point and listen to that for the rest of my days because if electronics take over it will be a horrible day, im a supporter of electronic aids for the advancement of music, not for the lazy fat cat record execs who [get very friendly with each other] evrytime they score a no.1 with CRAP GENERIC BAND 3001. put classical fm on and stop foaming at the mouth - j/k you can buy anything online now at cheaper prices, the reasons for digging in this town are none now, i barely buy anything in our town cos it is infact a large sack of merchant bank heh im not ranting and its not under my skin i just feel you need a bit of a relatiy check on some of your viewpoints as they were a bit archaic, i am enjoying the discussion though, when you fancy coming out from under your musical rock
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Post by Geg on Jan 19, 2004 18:31:44 GMT
you take 30 minutes to tell a story not play a piece of music. Unless the music is telling a story
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Post by Tassadara C on Jan 19, 2004 19:06:59 GMT
Unless the music is telling a story Which is sorta the point of most classical music, ayup.
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Post by Geg on Jan 19, 2004 19:43:16 GMT
And indeed a lot of contemporary music... they're just shorter stories.
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Post by Zippy on Jan 19, 2004 19:50:53 GMT
All operas tell a story. A lot of classical music is written to be an opera.
Sorted.
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Post by Tassadara C on Jan 19, 2004 19:52:27 GMT
And indeed a lot of contemporary music... they're just shorter stories. Difference between a book and a series. A book is lots shorter and less complex, but can be just as effective.
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Post by GunstarHero on Jan 19, 2004 22:16:49 GMT
Unless the music is telling a story you've misread what im saying, im saying that 30 minutes is overkill for one song and lasts too long, and that 30 minutes is the time you'd take to gather everyone round to tell a story, oh and operas suck the big one, hard
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Post by Zippy on Jan 19, 2004 22:31:49 GMT
Yes, what you're saying; it's not an objective fact that 30 minutes is too long
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Post by GunstarHero on Jan 19, 2004 22:45:03 GMT
Yes, what you're saying; it's not an objective fact that 30 minutes is too long yeh but IN MY OPINION it is if ur gonna get picky Admiral Spackbar
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Post by Zippy on Jan 19, 2004 23:16:20 GMT
The reaction I was hoping for... just to prove that I feel that the argument has now boiled down to personal preference in each area. Unless James has something to say other than his own opinion, I reckon you two should either come to a conclusion or, preferably, bring up more points. ...David Spaktard.
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Post by DrSmartEsq on Jan 24, 2004 19:12:51 GMT
"yawn wheres the real music" now its my turn to tell you go get out from under your musical rock.
"footballs gay now" well dont use it as a point in your favour, no stanley matthews probably couldn't hack it now, but he will always be a better footballer, he played without fancy fabrics, boots and thousands of pounds. not romanticising of it, simple fact, he wouldn't fall down clutching his leg after a gentle tap, he wouldn't be out of the game for weeks because he's got a bruise.
"30 minutes is too long" "why paint a mountain" so you're trying to say such things as the sistine chapel are pointless pompous self love? why can't a piece of music work up to a great ending, why does it even have to come to a big crashing ending. that is the problem with modern music, the listeners want everything NOW they havn't got the patience to enjoy the ride to the eventual target, if you actually listen to the bits inbetween the louder sections you'd hear different things, differnet combinations of instruments creating different sounds. and classical music does tell a story, it may be vague but it always has a subject, even a symphony with just a number has a subject, which varries between movements it can go from the hero setting, funeral march, return to life and the finale usually covers all and uses the general subject. opera however tells a complex story and it doesn't suck balls, the reason you think it does is because its not in english, it doesn't have subtitles and you actually have to pay attention, modern listeners seem to have an aversion to paying attention they want to be spoon fed everything, fast food, everything has to be accessable without effort on their part and if it requires effort they whinge.
NO the pre packaged garbage show no aptitude for music if they did they wouldn't need to be digitally remastered to make it sound somewhere near harmonious. they need to find their vocal range, perfect it and stick inside it THEN they will show aptitude for the basics, if you can hear the music, join it in the correct key that is the basics and instrumentalists have to be able to read the music and play it, if they cant they might as well look for another job. "the good bands dont get to the top of the charts anymore" possibly, but it seeks only to validate my point on pollution of the pool, if the scum get into the charts rather than the good bands.
the point about being good live is simply that of talent, a musician who can perform live can make a CD and the voice and music you hear when you play it will be the artist but if they produce a CD and cant sing live, then its not the artist making the CD its a man at a mixing table, the artist is taking credit for someone elses talent, its morally wrong.
The bread and butter of all modern music is the face, that will bring in the money. i dont care what you say it will always boil down to money with modern music, record labels will not take on ANY band or singer unless they think they'll make them a small fortune. you support electronic aids for the advancement of music, that advancement is going to take people out of the equation, what you are embracing is infact just a phase in the death of the personal touch in music, my viewpoint must be quite the opposite to archaic, if i am looking into the future and seeing the downfall of human emotion in music.
I do listen to Classic FM and enjoy it immensely as it doesn't stick to the stereotypical classical music be introduces new concepts in the genre, new artists and such, i'm sure if you could take the time out from hiding under YOUR musical rock to listen to it for an hour or so you might start to understand.
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