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Post by Zippy on Jan 18, 2004 20:33:11 GMT
BBC - Put Some Real Sports OnIt seems that terrestrial, non-subscription television has taken a turn for the worse in many areas. Many criticise the films, the dramas, comedies... but this article challenges one thing that affects everyone in some way: sport. So, in accordance with Ronan's brand-spanking new and very concise argument, do YOU believe our "beloved" Beeb should take serious sports seriously and use their "valuable airtime" to focus our TV license money into something more watchable?Cheers.
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Post by Geg on Jan 18, 2004 20:35:24 GMT
Not very smart to use archery as an example of sweat-inducing sport. I can safely say some of those darts players will be sweatier than Robin Hood, even when in Maid Marion's boudoir...
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Post by BoneyRoney on Jan 19, 2004 16:41:09 GMT
Having actually done Olympic (style, not class) Archery for nearly two years back when I lived in Spain I can safely say you have no idea what your talking about. You need good upper body strength to pull the string back time after time after time and to hold the bow steady. The arm strength of many professional archers is equal to or better than some boxers.
Though I agree you don't sweat all that much. I guess you''d have to focus on the tears and blood bit ;D
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Post by DrSmartEsq on Jan 19, 2004 17:31:31 GMT
who says that a part of the checklist for sport is sweat, that means a fat man trying to get into a pair of trousers a size too small is sport because i'm sure there'd be blood and tears along with profuse amounts of sweat
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Post by DrSmartEsq on Jan 19, 2004 17:33:18 GMT
and i just actually read the first post cos i was bored and noticed the use of 'our TV license money' Do any of us pay for a TV license?  unless yous paying for it you can't complain, just like politics if you didn't vote dont complain about the government. |
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Post by Zander on Jan 19, 2004 19:39:30 GMT
Though I agree you don't sweat all that much. I guess you''d have to focus on the tears and blood bit ;D Well I suppose the blood and tears in archery depend more on peoples aim dont it?  I say lets have more sailing - now theres a sport that needs mental prowess as well as physical and can involve " dog fight " style battles between two boats using the rules and their brains to out fox and out sail each other. |
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Post by Geg on Jan 19, 2004 19:42:17 GMT
I just found it odd that archery is OK but darts isn't - they're very similar sports. Granted archery's on a rather larger scale, but you don't begrudge 100m runners because there are marathons.
Can a sport not just be physical skill? Most sports require a great degree of skill in addition to strength and stamina (perhaps running is an exception?), so is skillnot equally as important as strength? By my book, snooker's a sport as yuo have to physically move the balls, by precisely aiming the cue, and so on.
However, chess isn't a sport - there's no physical element to it - moving the pieces is just symbolic. That's not to say that chess doesn't require skill, just not physical skill; so I reckon that makes it a game rather than a sport.
By the way, this makes tiddlywinks a sport. Makes sense to me.
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Post by BoneyRoney on Jan 19, 2004 22:00:06 GMT
By definition (check dictionary.com if your bored) sport is a physical activity.
As for the archery bit typical long distances are 70 to 90 metres. Show me a darts player that can throw the dart that length into an area the size of the 25 points circle (because thats how big the 10 points part is on an archery board) and I'll call it a sport. Granted the propelling action is from the bow and not just throwing, but there still is much more strength involved.
I guess that the development of the sport also influences my opinions. Games like darts and snooker were played initially in pubs and as recreation, where as archery through hunting and war is much more competitive.
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Post by Geg on Jan 20, 2004 17:15:10 GMT
Snooker is physical activity. Hell, watching EastEnders is physical activity, 'cos you have to reach for the remote super-fast.
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Post by DrSmartEsq on Jan 21, 2004 16:55:03 GMT
show me an archer who can throw an arrow into the archery target, tehy cant thats why they get a bow, darts is in effect pub archery the arrows are smaller as is the distance, making the bow pointless (partly because pub dart tournaments take place rather drunk and it would eb terrible if the barman accidently ended up with a dart fired from a bow in his neck, who'd serve the beer?!)
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Post by Zippy on Jan 21, 2004 23:49:45 GMT
I don't agree with either points here - definition of "physical activity" is not defined by muscles or sport (Ronan), nor is it defined as anything that requires physical input (Greg); I believe it's something that brings out health and, if used in collaboration with a healthy diet, something that will make you fitter in all aspects. I guess it's pretty vague in description, but all I'm saying is that I could do archery and still be unfit. I could play darts, snooker and bowls and not break a sweat, truly affect my heart rate or improve my health.
However, rugby, football, cricket, hockey, etc; ones that make you knackered, etc? That's sport. Stuff that the experts in their field work HARD for. Sports which only people of a good health and fitness or physical caliber can take part in. Not restricted to thin people, or anything; people who work hard and take on board many skills.
Many skills isn't judging an angle on a table, or balancing weight on a bowl, or accuracy on a dart board - anyone can develop these skills with a beer can in their other hand.
That's the way I understand it, anyway.
P.S. I don't agree with you, Ronan, about archery being a sport compared to snooker, darts and so on. With a bow, you have better odds at getting a certain conclusion - much the same as darts, except over a longer distance and without more potential for human error. Also, archery would be possibly one of the most boring sports to watch on TV.
Edit: Also, the three sports in comparison to Archery are purely situational, having a possible infinite of situations and shots, throws, rolls... Archery is distances and target sizes, all of which can be learned over time, unlike the other three, where you have to employ pre-honed skills on a random course, so to speak. If anything, this makes archery even less of a sport...
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Post by beSottied on Jan 22, 2004 11:07:04 GMT
I definitely agree with Ronan's saying darts is a recreational activity, not a sport. It hacks me off every year when the BBC decides to show fifteen minutes out of three full days of Badminton, the world's biggest three day event, in favour of fat blokes with beer stained shirts chucking pins at a notice board Their mams.... PS: I would consider archery a sport. I know I sure as hell couldn't do it, but i'm not horrific at pool/snooker and darts is pretty easy (although i did manage to implant one in a ceiling beam in West Burton... |
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Post by BoneyRoney on Jan 22, 2004 16:49:02 GMT
Went looking on Google for injuries associated with archery. Found a list on a Medical Journal Online Magazine: Tenis is a sport  Injury recovery time: moderate: 3 weeks, severe 6+ weeks. Not exactly life-threatening, but try doing that while doing bowls. A strained bicep can have out of doing any physical injury for 6-8 weeks. No idea what that is but it sounds painful. Errr....LOL What I'm trying to show with all these injuries is that in his post the enlightened co-founder of the Twaddle, one Matthew D Gardner said that a sport is something that makes you knackered. Archery does make you completely and utterly knackered (in the arm and shoulder area anyway). Though I have to agree on the point that it'd make a bad sport for TV  |
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Post by Zippy on Jan 22, 2004 17:37:45 GMT
It's not something that's full-body exhaustion though, is it? Doesn't really increase heart rate or fully tire you out; and I'd say it was recreational too, not a sport
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Post by Tassadara C on Jan 22, 2004 17:41:48 GMT
It's not something that's full-body exhaustion though, is it? Doesn't really increase heart rate or fully tire you out; and I'd say it was recreational too, not a sport I..... was gonna say something, but then I realized you were still talking about archery. *cough* >_> |
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Post by Zippy on Jan 22, 2004 17:42:15 GMT
Went looking on Google for injuries associated with archery. Found a list on a Medical Journal Online Magazine: Tenis is a sport Injury recovery time: moderate: 3 weeks, severe 6+ weeks. Not exactly life-threatening, but try doing that while doing bowls. A strained bicep can have out of doing any physical injury for 6-8 weeks. No idea what that is but it sounds painful. Errr....LOL What I'm trying to show with all these injuries is that in his post the enlightened co-founder of the Twaddle, one Matthew D Gardner said that a sport is something that makes you knackered. Archery does make you completely and utterly knackered (in the arm and shoulder area anyway). Though I have to agree on the point that it'd make a bad sport for TV Can't you put your back out playing snooker or bowls, though? |
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Post by Zippy on Jan 22, 2004 17:48:50 GMT
I..... was gonna say something, but then I realized you were still talking about archery. *cough* >_> I don't think BBC would consider that a sport. Maybe Channel 5. Mind you, it's a sport I'd be willing to take part in, if it was allowed |
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Post by Tassadara C on Jan 22, 2004 17:54:15 GMT
I don't think BBC would consider that a sport. Maybe Channel 5. Mind you, it's a sport I'd be willing to take part in, if it was allowed archery? yes, I think you already established your disinclinectitude. >_> <_< 0:^) heehee, disinclinectitude is a really fun word |
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Post by Zippy on Jan 22, 2004 18:18:02 GMT
I have the arms for it, just cannet be arsed
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Post by BoneyRoney on Jan 22, 2004 18:56:17 GMT
Maybe if you had living targets it'd be exciting |
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Post by Zippy on Jan 22, 2004 19:40:49 GMT
Maybe if you had living targets it'd be exciting Up for that, Tass? |
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Post by Tassadara C on Jan 22, 2004 19:49:03 GMT
As long as I get a bow too. It's like laser tag, except when you get hit you go down screaming! ;D |
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Post by Zippy on Jan 22, 2004 19:54:40 GMT
j00=pwnd lololol
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unless yous paying for it you can't complain, just like politics if you didn't vote dont complain about the government.
